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Does Wordpress have better out of the box SEO than Joomla?
Discuss.. :)
Update:
There has been an "easter egg" of sorts in the title of this blog post. Some have found it, some haven't :)
I created two sites with identical content, one with wordpress, and one with Joomla:
- http://72.52.245.164/~seo123/
- http://72.52.245.164/~seo321/
When I wrote the blog post I linked to each site with an identical text link, flobblebobbleseocmstest.
On searching for the term, I saw that:
- Joomla had a higher SERP in google.com
- Wordpress had a higher SERP in google.co.uk
- Google thought whichever was placed second was a subsite of the higher
- The Wordpress articles were not even indexed
- If you search for the term no there is a lot of "noise" results based on this blog post
Hopefully this will give a little more meat to chew on for you SEO die-hards :)
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Mike Law
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I am no expert but I think the answer has to be Wordpress and everybody knows that, no? The gap is definitely getting closer and by the look of it Joomla 1.6 will be when Joomla will come close to par with Wordpress. Joomla still doesn't have quite the functionality you need for URL's and no heading tags on titles are two major ones. I guess there are other factors like page load times and page size which Google may factor in where Wordpress probably has an edge but I guess that comes down to the template you are using more than anything. The rest of SEO comes down to content not really the CMS? Like I said I am not expert so would be interested to hear other views. |
Eddie Truman
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I don't see how Wordpress can be considered a serious CMS as it currently stands. I recently took an excursion into Wordpress world after being impressed by the Revolution themes and it's just on the same level as Joomla in terms of having a CMS with content updated by non techy people. You're looking at editing PHP files in order to add graphics to articles, as I say, just not serious. |
Ricki Steigerwald
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Wordpress is definitely not a CMS, but if I client needs a blog and a few static pages, I still recommend Wordpress. It has a few blog features visitors expect. Whether it is Wordpress or Joomla, it still requires the same techniques: read mores with article name, entering text like tags for search engines to pick up, and using plug-ins for such things as a sitemap. |
Hummerbie
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I can see how you have done your test together with Steve from Alledia. In my Opinion every CMS or Blog Opensource Progams can be SEO, you just have to use and get your setup right:http://blog.hummerbie.com/sear...omparison/ But what I think is a bit of a flaw in your test is that your use the permalink option /&#xpo;stname%/ for WordPress, but include section/category/articles for Joomla. The last option brings in more keywords in the URL, which may be good for starting, but looks kind of spammy to me :-) So for me, the test is more linkbait then a real SEO CMS Test... Great work done here! |
AzzX
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Interesting experiment, It would be intruiging if you tried The All in One SEO Pack for wordpress http://wordpress.org/extend/pl...-seo-pack/ Nothing comes close with Joomla in terms of this level of SEO optimisation. |
Neil
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I would have to say that if you believe that wordpress is better than joomla when it comes to content management or even for seo that you should get your facts checked. Wordpress is a blogging package not a content management system. Joomla as a content management system is very powerful and is something that I actually use day in day out for other sites. I have used wordpress and while it is great blogging software it is purely just that. I know you may be thinking "Gee this guy is opinionated" but honestly it is from experience and is feedback from a person with strong IT background in many different areas including asp programming and now happily from a end user of joomla and wordpress software. I am sure many of you would agree with what I have said. I have worked on Joomla and believe that there should be more content management systems like it employeed by other web developers out there in the every growing and competing marketplace. |
AzzX
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The articles is referring to SEO, not on the merits of both scripts as a publishing platform. Out of the box SEO is probably 50/50 between joomla and wordpress depending on how you set up your permalinks. As I was suggesting, using All in One SEO puts wordpress way out in front. There is no other SEO solution for Joomla that compares to this free plugin. |
Neil
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AzzX in regards to my comment it was address more towards Mike Laws comments. There is one component which has been released which seems to be really effective and that is SH404SEF. Joomla 1.5.4 I have just tested recently and its out of box SEO is pretty effective. I think that if you tried with Joomla 1.5.6 which is due out shortly it will be alot more refined and better. I have not tested the ALL in One SEO solution for wordpress but I have heard people say it is good. |
Mike Law
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@Neil: I am not sure why you were directing that at me as I was referring to SEO as well not on which was the better CMS (that's what this experiment is all about), that's a whole new discussion altogether. @AzzX: Do you or anyone else for that matter mind highlighting why the All in One SEO plug-in gives Wordpress such a big advantage? I can see it definitely has some value but I wouldn't have thought it would be a huge factor. |
Neil
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Max I wrote that due to the interpretation that was formed after reading your comment on the blog. I understand that the concept of the article was about SEO but there is alot of other factors that contribute to the results that google gives as you have seen in that article. "Quote # Joomla had a higher SERP in google.com # Wordpress had a higher SERP in google.co.uk" I am not sure where the site was stored and what not but I do know for example that a domain I run ranks better in google.com.au than it does on google.com therefore you are bound to get different results from google in different countries. If someone could answer how this occurs and if possible retest this theory and have a more defined set of variables I think you will find a closer answer and more accurate result. |
Hummerbie
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@AzzX: All-in-One-SEO is great, but recently I replaced it with Headspace2 wicht is even better, but needs a little extra work on some WP Templates. As for getting Joomla on the same level as WP with AIOSEO, you should really checkout the SEO Patch of Joomlatwork.com. The free version will do fine for 1.0.x and there is also a version for 1.5.x @Mike Law: The All-in-One-SEO Plugin gives your the functions to write different HTML Title Tags, Create Metatag descriptions and Keywords. You can also set these to autogenerate Metatag descriptions. |
Hummerbie
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| @Neil: Results will always differ between country's, because Google uses Geotargetting and therefore will give a domain hosted in that specific country a better ranking to provide more local aimed results. |
Mike Law
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Thanks Hummerbie that's what I thought, meta keyword's and descriptions can be created in Joomla so no real advantage there and meta keywords aren't even looked at by SE's according to most SEO experts. You should always add your keyword(s) to the article title anyway which in Joomla results in them ending up in the title tag. With a slight alteration to the core files you can insert whatever keywords you like into the title tags. So I still don't see any major advantage there definitely a slight advantage though. In regards to this experiment you really need to test on two brand new domains with identical content and with links from identical sites don't you? |
Administrator
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In regards to this experiment you really need to test on two brand new domains with identical content and with links from identical sites don't you? I *think* that's exactly what this experiment was set up to do. The only link to the sites from from compassdesigns.net and the anchor text was identical. As Hummberbie said, I choose the 'cropped' URL in wordpress. Examining the differences between the sites, there were really two main ones: Joomla spat out extra tables in output. Joomla has a keyword-spammy url index.php/flobblebobbleseocmstest/1-flobblebobbleseocmstest-category /5-flobblebobbleseocmstest-5 What I am finding interesting is when you search for the first sentence of an article, sometimes you only get Joomla showing up, sometimes only Wordpress. I have never searched and got both. |
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