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Why you want to use Joomla instead of Wordpress

Posted on Aug 04, 2006
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If you have been around at Compass Designs recently, you will have noticed I have done a redesign. I was using the WordPress component for my blog. I was finding it very difficult to use, so I set myself the goal of trying to set up a blog using just the default features of Joomla and the minimum number of components.

If you have been around at Compass Designs recently, you will have noticed I have done a redesign. I was using the WordPress component for my blog. I was finding it very difficult to use, its basically WordPress running inside Joomla which was clunky. It was difficult to style, I had to hack alot of the CSS and the last straw was the URL's did not work with my SEF component of choice, OpenSEF. So I set myself the goal of trying to set up a blog using just the default features of Joomla and the minimum number of components.

For me there were 9 key things I wanted from my blog:

  • Flexible layout
  • Search Engine Optimized Titles
  • A robust and good looking comment system
  • Tags, like Digg, Del.icio.us etc
  • A solid RSS which could service categories
  • Ability to have an RSS feed be automatically emailed to people
  • Categories in Sidebar
  • "Chicklets"
  • Trackbacks and Pings

Let's see how I did with each of these:

  • Flexible layout
    This is where Joomla simply beats WordPress into the ground.. and then jumps up on down on it. Trying to style a WP template within a Joomla template was painful, and I make templates for a living! The process involved searching through WP stylesheets and php files to try and resolve conflicts. By comparision, in Joomla, I could just have the content presented as a "blog" and could style it elagently and easily.
  • Search Engine Optimized Titles
    Having good titles (and I mean meta <titleOpenSEF. Its new Ajax admin interface is great and it seems to produce robust URL's. The clincer is the ease in which you can create redirects. I was using SEF Advance, which was causing me all kinds of problems. Swicthing solutions meant I had a lot of URL's that need to change, links from other sites. All I have to do is monitor my logs and when I see traffic coming in from old URL's its a 3 second (literally) job to set up a redirect to the new URL. No messing with htaccess here.
    The second part of the process was internal links. These are useful for SEO, but who wants to be found on a Google search for "read more". There is a mambot from Run Digital that changes that though, and makes the link much better, I am using it on the blog.
  • A robust and good looking comment system
    Previously I have been using AkoComment. I wasn't good. The developer Arthur Konze does not support Joomla and the captcha (the characters you have to enter to post) wasn't working well. There were a couple of mods available for Joomla, but I still felt it was all pretty clumsy.
    Luckily, at the time of revising how I was building my blog, a new Joomla comment component, JomComment was released. I am using it on my site now and its great. The front end looks good, has a robust captcha and is easy to template. Its also got some nice extra features like hiding the comment form with Ajax.
  • Tags, like Digg, Del.icio.us etc
    One of the things about fijiwebdesign.com. One of the even better things about Joomla is the nature of the developer community. When I installed the bot, it was placing tags in the side column, which made a mess. I emailed the developer and he fixed it within about 48 hours. Remember, its a free extension.
  • A solid RSS which could service categories
    The default RSS feed in Run Digital has a component that allows you to have an RSS feed from anywhere. This allowed me to provide a feed for each of my categories in my blog. So if you are a site focussing on SEO, you can get the feed for just that section.
    I took a second step of passing my main feed into Feedburner. I did this for usability as it provides a much better interface to get a feed to the whole blog if you want it. I also get the little icon that shows me how many readers I have.
  • Ability to have an RSS feed be automatically emailed to people
    As with using Feedburner, sometimes its not the best solution to use here, sign up and try it out :)
  • Categories in Sidebar
    This was simple enough. I just had to create a menu and module with all the blog catergories in it.
  • "Chicklets"
    Chicklets are little icons that allow you to subscribe to an RSS feed using your reader of choice, Yahoo, Google etc. Using Feedburner meant that it automatically created all these for me, I just had to copy and paste the code into a module. You can see them on the blog.
  • Trackbacks and Pings
    So last is the bad news. There currently is not any solution to this that I have found. Having these blogging tools would be nice. WP had them. In the author's opinion however, these two are nowhere near enough to outweigh all the other disadvantages of WP and the advantages of Joomla.

The summary?

Wordpress is a blogging tool, its really good at it. Try and customize it or get it do do more and the curve gets very hard very quick. Joomla by comparison is a full blown CMS that can blog if you want it to easily. There are some minor features missing, but you make this up and more with all the powerful features of a mature CMS you can leverage into your blog. Forums anyone?



Comments (54)add comment

Brad Benninger said:

The only thing limiting Joomla in the blog world is that the articles can't be assigned to multiple categories like you can with Wordpress. I am a Joomla fan through and through and this is the ONLY reason that the Wordpress component is even considered for me in some cases. Phil Taylor I believe has a Tags component that may handle this, but in involves core hacks as part of it's installation which I am not a fan of.

Very informative article by the way! smilies/grin.gif
August 04, 2006

GreenBoy Again said:

Thanks for the article - its nice to see all these components in real life situation working together - which helps people like me to take a plunge...

Thanks for the article

Only wish the comment componetn has spelling check!! smilies/grin.gif
August 04, 2006

NoOne said:

I am a big fan of Joomla, recently converting from PostNuke. I also recently set up my first WordPress site. I still like Joomla a lot more than WordPress. However, TrackBack and Ping has been unbelievable for my WP site. Once I got a list of about 20 ping sites, I started seeing links to my articles showing up all over the place. This is the true power of blogging and something Joomla desperately needs.

Content may be king, but if no one can find the content, it doesn't do you a whole lot of good. Blogging has the distribution down and Joomla could learn a lot from it.
August 06, 2006

FMolina said:

Dear Brad Beenninger, If I am not mistaken one can copy the article to other categories
August 08, 2006

Cory said:

@FMolina

You are correct. It is possible to copy an article to other categories. However, this is a cumbersome solution to the problem. Not only does it take up space in the database, but if you need to edit an article, there are multiple places to edit the article instead of just one.

To date, the best (only) solution that I know of is Phil Taylor's Tags component. I have never actually used it, so I do not know how well it works, but being the only option, it is the best option.
August 10, 2006

admin said:

Joomla is based off mambo and much superior. I have a blog entry comparing their popularity.
August 11, 2006

Denise said:

Hi! First of all, thanks for the article, its very helpful, especially for newbies like me. I just wanted to ask how you altered the Run Digital mambot that alters the "read more" link from using "Content Title Read More" into "Read more about Content Title". Thanks!
August 12, 2006

johng said:

dumbass question from a joomla newbie - did you use the news module or build something custom? Tuturial coming soon?
August 21, 2006

Barrie North said:

Hi Johng, what news module you referring to? Everything is stock Joomla.
August 22, 2006

Bernard said:

I currently am using joomblog but really am looking for something cleaner looking. It appears from your article that you're using the news module but I wasn't sure. If I wanted my users to have the ability to blog, would I just give them author access?

I basically want something where family members that have registered have a place they can blog. Ideas?
August 23, 2006

johng said:

I thought this blog was done using the newsflash module in Joomla. Are you saying that the blog entries are just items in a category?
August 24, 2006

Barrie North said:

The section is "joomla blog" and the categories are the topic categories. Out the box Joomla!
August 25, 2006

Bernard said:

I'm really hoping for some sort of tutorial on this one. I've made a separate section for user blogs and created the different categories for them. Now how can users submit these blogs? Do I need to create something else in the user menu?
August 26, 2006

Bernard said:

Is there a similar component out there that works just as well as jomcomment but is free?
August 26, 2006

Barrie North said:

Well, its only $12.50. Thats the price of a movie ticket!
August 26, 2006

Srijit Sreekumar said:

Hey Barrie,
Joomla now has pings, sorta.
Weblog Pinger Component Released
http://www.world.eu.org/joomla...w/2167/59/

Cheers. smilies/grin.gif
August 28, 2006

Barrie North said:

I just use this http://pingomatic.com/
August 28, 2006

Srijit Sreekumar said:

does that integrate with Joomla, or do we have to submit it manually?
August 29, 2006

david harper said:

Thanks, I have been wanting to cross over to Joomla CMS, but what about remote posting (i.e., posting from a desktop application). My WP tools are so convenient in this regard, I would really miss needing to go to a browser back-end...
August 30, 2006

Chipmunk said:

If you use Feedburner to distribute the RSS feeds anyway, then you don't need an extra pinging component for Joomla. Feedburner does this for you.
September 02, 2006

fkpress said:

hi there,
the only thing i am missing in joomla is a function like in wordpress called bookmarklet. a button in the menü i can press to put the title and link of a website i found nearly automatically in to the blog. is there some same thing for joomla available???
frank
September 05, 2006

tOG said:

Enjoyed reading this useful article. Are there any English translations of the readmore mambot documentation? After struggling with poor auto-translation of their RSS feed component documentation (and my even poorer German) would welcome an English version of the readmore mambot docs, or any English account of its use.
September 16, 2006

DaveC4 said:

I'm posting this comment just to see the JomComment module. smilies/wink.gif
October 28, 2006

Administrator said:

JomComment now has trackback.... smilies/grin.gif
November 24, 2006

azzam said:

One of the current developments from socioclick is to allow ping of RSS feeds. We intended to ping the RSS directories directly from the Joomal backend but this may prove to be taxing on the server therefore are opting to ping pingomatic or pingoat direct and let them ping the RSS directories. Incidentally wordpress and pingomatic is owned by the same people. It would be nice to provide a unique service for Joomla but this may not be practical
November 27, 2006

netorius said:

I looked at the Run Digital mambot, but couldn't get it to display the read more like your blog entrys. and as others have commented, i don't do german..

Thanks..

December 07, 2006

Craig G said:

Great article! Has anyone figured out if RD RSS can output in HTML? Also, looks like the component truncates all internal URLs to relative paths instead of absolute paths. Any ideas on how to fix that?
December 19, 2006

lukepatrick83 said:

I like how easy this can be to set up a basic collection of blogs with Joomla. Question, it is possible to set up a different look and feel for each blog category?
Thanks.
March 01, 2007

Administrator said:

Yes, you can easly style individual categories by using multiple templates and assigning them to that category.
March 01, 2007

Brady J. Frey said:

All the things you're looking to do, I've done with wordpress easily. I agree that wordpress is not a good CMS - I've done some aggressive hacking to make that happen (for instance, my http://kamalaspa.com is powered by wordpress, both on pages and integrated into the store) - but all your complaints I've easily done.

Your template complaint is because you're integrating Joomla and WP - but it's not a fault of WP template architecture... or Joomla's. They're built off different opinions on template design. Some of my other sites on WP at http://dotfive.com were easily a mix on just WP template.

SEO Titles (do you mean the URL? The title is defined by the user) can be adjusted straight in wordpress with each post/page 'slug' or htaccess to control the rest.

WP comment system is highly robust in it's aggressive ping/trackbacks. The look and feel of the comment system is up to you via HTML/PHP/CSS, and is easily styled. You want more power too the engine, there are plenty of plugins to add this feature, just like Joomla has... or, install your own engine custom.

Tags for alternative sites, we have plugins for this too - so Joomla doesn't gain ground there. Even the developer community at WP is just as aggressive I've found.

There are numerous email subscription via RSS and vice versa for wordpress without feedburner.

Categories in sidebar is not a complaint of WP I take it, very easy to do.

Chicklets are simple, so long as you know how to create them in WP.

You noted that "It was difficult to style, I had to hack alot of the CSS" - when haven't you had to hack a lot of CSS to make a quality design smilies/grin.gif. Joomla's no better than WP at blogging - Just like Maybe Joomla's no better than http://www.djangoproject.com/ as a CMS, and we could argue why you'd use Django over Joomla because it builds the CMS as you design. You could use http://radiantcms.org/ for RoR CMS or blogging, or go http://trac.typosphere.org/.

Your post sounds more like "If you're using Joomla as a CMS: Why you want to use Joomla instead of Wordpress as a blog.", not "Why you want to use Joomla instead of Wordpress"... because all your complaints are the Joomla integration, not WP itself. Everyone has a different setup - and it depends on the scenario. WP is an excellent engine for blogging, Joomla is no better, though I think it exceeds in a CMS system because that's what it was built to be. WP was built to be a blogging engine, that sometimes gets hacked as a CMS. In the end, that post title seems highly distorted based on your issues and experience.
March 23, 2007

jeremy said:

I would first like to say thanks for all of the great resources available here at compassdesigns.net - very helpful indeed!
In terms of WP vs. Joomla, I would have to say that WP seems to be winning the battle on the podcast front. The podpress plugin that the folks over at mightyseek.com have put together for WP definitely outperforms the Podcast Suite for Joomla in terms of generating valid feeds. Perhaps there are some folks much more talented than I who are working on this, but in terms of adding true podcast functionality (not just embedding a media player...)I would say WP takes the cake.
Any thoughts?
Cheers!
April 04, 2007

Robin Mulkers said:

Excellent post.
I went into a similar decision path and selected Joomla for my blog. I've been blogging about it here http://www.mulkers.net/robin/e...?Itemid=28
For blog pings, I use the DS-Syndicate http://www.joomlafun.com/index...2&Itemid=4 component. It is able to blog ping all the providers (technorati, google,etc etc) using the XML-RPC API. Give it a try smilies/wink.gif
May 04, 2007

Randy Watson said:

I am a fan of Joomla and put my blog together using Joomla. You can see what mine has become although it is still a work in progress. I am still learning and trying different things out. http://www.satxproperty.com/welcome/satxblog.html

I manually ping with DS Syndicate but also have Feedburner. I use Jomcomment and SEF Advanced.

Compassdesign was my deciding factor to go this route. smilies/wink.gif
May 07, 2007

bizman said:

Joomla doesn't have multiple tags for an entry? Didn't know that. I was thinking about using it for a new blog, but now I have to reconsider.

What do people think about the MyBlog extension (or component or whatever Joomla calls these things)?
June 26, 2007

tish said:

I have a year's worth of posts on my WP blog. Have been spending hours researching a WP.org site vs. Joomla vs. Drupal. Need to move to gain more functions and flexibility -- forums, e-mail this post, etc. plus a cleaner, more Web 2.0 look. Your information is timely for me and is swaying me toward Joomla. BUT, is there an easy way to transfer all my WP posts into a Joomla blog? Or do I have to copy/paste 1 by 1 into new posts? Haven't seen any extension that will help with that. Any ideas?
Thanks.
July 26, 2007 | url

Jez2 said:

Great post, though I see it is a little old...
Any chance of a refresher?

Jez
August 14, 2007 | url

admin said:

Actually, I have just finished chapter 13 of my upcoming book on Joomla 1.5 - "How to create a blog site with Joomla". Its a step by step and there is even a free 1.5 blog template!
August 14, 2007

jasonfrovich said:

Man i wish Run Digital site was in english and they had documentation on how to use there plugins
I got the mambot your suggested from Run Digital
so its enabled how do you use it?
August 17, 2007 | url

Jez2 said:

Hi Admin,

I had been looking at your book on Amazon pre-release along with a Wrox book due out in October...

When I last commented I had not realised this was your book, but recently read a chapter released on templating which credited this domain name...

I think I will wait a while before getting your book as I am not using 1.5 yet =(

Regards blogging I am using the MyBlog plugin which I am sure you are aware of. Its still no-where near as good a WP in terms of features and usability, but it answers all the issues raised in these comments about categories (it uses a tag cloud, which kind of fulfills this purpose) and more importantly your last point about trackback (though I have yet to test this myself).

Much as I love WP I will be using this platform in future, being able to add more components is such a massive benefit.

I see others trying to develop their WP sites by stringing together different in-cohesive app's in various folders / sub domains... messing around with redirects etc, not nice...

Thanks for this article, it got me seriously looking at Joomla as opposed to Drupal.

Now I have an extensible blogging platform and have not had to mod a single line of app code... though I did have to pay for some of the modules... MyBlog and Jom Comment are no longer available free of charge....

Jez
August 23, 2007 | url

Steve M. said:

Thanks, Despite the title of my original post, I think I agree with your post. joomla has some boundaries thats why developers sometime consider wordpress.No need for extra pinging componets for joomla if u using feebburner to distribute the Rss feeds anyway.
http://www.websites.design.com.au/
September 12, 2007 | url

jasontmartinez27 said:

Here's a great article discussing joomla vs. wordpress.

http://www.openjason.com/?p=23

Might help those in question...
September 18, 2007 | url

Steve Mac said:

Thanks, Despite the title of my original post, I think I agree with your post. Of course joomla has some boundaries thats why developers sometime consider wordpress.NO need for extra pinging componets for joomla if u using feed burner to distribute the Rss feeds anyway.
http://www.websites-design.com.au/
September 25, 2007 | url

hopebd said:

Thanks for the nice post. I m also a Joomla fun preparing to build up my site http://wwww.nurulislam.info

November 10, 2007 | url

fmindlin said:

Small typo, "A robust and good looking comment system
Previously I have been using AkoComment. I wasn't good...."

You may have been very very bad, but I think you meant "It wasn't good..."

;>}
Cheers, Fred
November 13, 2007 | url

Lydia Taylor's Assistant said:

I'm really just writing this to see the comment functionality on a blog powered by Joomla. Looks really nice so far. And I like the tiny editor for comments.

Should I switch from wordpress...?
November 30, 2007 | url

Naijawire said:

So many interesting points raised here, I must admit. However, it seems to be one-sided for obvious reasons - this is a Joomla-based site. I am sure Wordpress users will find equally interesting advantages over Joomla on their blogs. The point here is that beauty is in the eye of the be-holder.

Naijawire.com (http://www.naijawire.com)was developed with Wordpress and has been functional apart from certain limitations that came about because it is hosted on an IIS Server.

From what I found out, Joomla may be a better CMS solution than Wordpress but Wordpress looks like a more natural choice for blogging which has no shortage of available "free" plugins.
December 02, 2007 | url

Andrea Di Vincenzo said:

I use Joomla since last year. It's hard to say if it's better than other CMS. Anyway I built a very nice site at http://www.termolipallanuoto.it using Joomla, with SEF urls and I reached good SEO positions in a few months :-) (the site of our Waterpolo team in Italy)
December 04, 2007 | url

Andrea Di Vincenzo said:

I currently use Joomla in all the sites I create. I have an instance of Joomla with all the basic components installed and I use copies of it in the new domains. Never used Wordpress but I can't imagine something better than Joomla :-)
December 05, 2007 | url

Linda Website Design- Get Started said:

I have been using WordPress a lot and have been thinking about using Joomla for content management. Although the
original articles has been around for awhile, I wasn't aware
of the difficulty of merging WP and Joomla.

Thanks for bringing up the challenges!
December 12, 2007 | url

buspar2 said:

From this article I found out a lot of benefits of Joomla, but I have a habit to WP smilies/wink.gif
December 17, 2007 | url

Free Articles said:

I vote for joomla cz it has much more features that wordpress and it is not hard to learn it and to start use it for your site
December 24, 2007 | url

Ryan the New Zealand Website Designer said:

I use Joomla and am still learning more about it while applying it to my websites. Nice blog, "Flexible layout" is so true!
http://www.globalexposure.co.nz
January 02, 2008 | url

mp3music said:

I suggest to use Joomla because it is very easy to use.
April 10, 2008 | url

Andrey said:

It's cogent arguments to use Joomla instead of Wordpress smilies/wink.gif I'm going to create mp3 blog. I thought about wp, but I decided that Joomla is the best variant smilies/smiley.gif
June 05, 2008 | url

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